Recall Plinys second century letter to the emperor Trajan confessing that he had little idea on how to judge the Christians who were being brought before him. But then when explaining whom Nero scapegoatedTacitusenters the realm of anachronism. Slingerland reaches a proper and salutary conclusion: the burden of proof rests with those who wish to identify Chrestus with Christ, not those who distinguish them (pp 169-217). Ill try to offer something more substantial than 'Thank you' in response at some point, but I didnt want to wait . Rather, the punishments Suetonius speaks of may well have been one of the occasional banishments from Rome that Jews experienced. They should carry jugs of water and fill a basin. Through envy, those women, the Danaids and Dirc, being persecuted, after they had suffered terrible and unspeakable torments, finished the course of their faith with steadfastness, and though weak in body, received a noble reward. The intelligent Aegyptus wanted to get his sons married to the Danaides. Of course, we can conclude that we all do. . So, please continue to delve deeply and share this intellectual sustenance with your grateful readers. 2) Christiani/oi designated people as adherents or partisans of Christ, and not the fictive sons/daughters of someone. A technical comment regarding Clements Letter to the Corinthians: As far as I remember (also from Earl Dohertys texts), the expressions put to death (in most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death) and suffered martyrdom under the prefects do not correspond to the Greek text (which gives no indication of violent deaths). Danaus soon understood the plan of his brother and was not willing to surrender his beautiful daughters to his nasty nephews. To browse Academia.edu and the wider internet faster and more securely, please take a few seconds toupgrade your browser. Doris Lessing, I like the probability of the impossible." I dont know if they will print it, because it relates to a secondary subject within the review in question. As such he was bound, by a kind of natural enmity, to have been the first to persecute the Christians; as Sulpicius puts it, because vice is always the enemy of the good.[68] The second is the political interest of the Christians in representing themselves as Neros victims, in order to win the favour and protection of his successors on that account. The story goes that Antiope was ill-treated by this Dirke, and therefore the children of Antiope put Dirke to death. Envy has alienated wives from their husbands, and changed that saying of our father Adam, "This is now bone of my . He lamented the lack of any known precedents for how this group ought to be treated. The third is the special interest of the Roman Church in the death of the two chief apostles, Peter and Paul, at Rome. Shaw, on the other hand, chooses to provisionally accept the genuineness of the passage. Tacitus composed this passage approximately at the end of the second decade of the second century, perhaps assembling notes and other research earlier in the years after 110 C.E. What seems to make the idea so compelling and impossible to dismiss is that it is based on a high quality historical source of apparently unimpeachable fidelity, the, Not by any human resources, not by the benefactions of the emperor, and not by any placating of the gods did. I also have a rough draft of what will be the Rebuilding the Foundations book. But in fact all I do, or you do, is to fish among the childish memories. Around the year 95 AD, a letter was written by the Church of Rome to the Church at Corinth that is attributed to Saint Clement. Thank you for this careful and engaged reading of my work much appreciated! us with a most excellent example. As mentioned above, Tacituss applying the term of Christian to the time of the 60s was another anachronism. I reserve all rights, but I give permission to use this page in Bible studies or other FREE ways. Lactantius wrote accounts of the wrongful persecutions of Christians by Roman rulers yet he omits any mention of a fire in the time of Nero. To get rid of the rumour, Nero found and provided the defendants, and he afflicted with the most refined punishments those persons whom, hated for their shameful acts, Christians were afflicted with punishments, a type of men of a new and evil, What seems to have happened under Claudius and then again under Nero is the temporary banishment of some Jewish sectarians from the city of Rome, but not, in any event, persons who would logically have been labelled at the time as a new and evil, At the time, and indeed up to the decades after 100 C.E., among Roman writers, including Tacitus, it was the Jews rather than the Christians whose beliefs and practices were being labelled a. The author writes that there was a "great multitude furnished us with a most excellent example." He names two women (Danaids and Dircae) who were "persecuted after they had suffered terrible and unspeakable torments." (Chapter 7) He "admonishes" them, but doesn't offer any sort of command. The absence is doubly striking since it was precisely a fire at Nicomedia (two of them, in fact) that caused Galerius and Diocletian to turn on the Christians in the Great Persecution of 303 C.E. But between such hypotheses and the text there are considerable unfillable gaps in the evidence. Therefore, unless one simply presumes, in a complete void of supporting data, that the words in the pseudo-Clement must have some relationship to the fire in 64 C.E., there is nothing in the text that would lead any reasonably critical reader to connect the two events. It is, however, very doubtful, in view of the silence of the other Christian authors who used Tacitus, if the manuscript of Tacitus which Sulpicius used contained the passage in question. Yes, I had read Hurtados piece but my post was too long for me to include reference to what he had said. Per Porter, Stanley E.; Pearson, Brook W.R. (2000). [H]is words are structurally parallel to the near contemporary sentence found in Suetonius: (a) a certain people were punished who were Christians, and (b) this is who these people were: a distinctive kind of people who embodied a new and evil superstitio (meaning, basically, a bad or unacceptable religion). All Rights Reserved. The purpose of the current article is to address a question to which scholars devoted considerable thought: the identity of the Christian women whom Clement of Rome called "Danads" and "Dircae" in his "First Epistle to the Corinthians". 1 Clem. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Whether it happened by chance or by a malicious act of the emperor is uncertain. [T]he name Chrestus is a very common one, no ancient source makes the identification with Christians, certainly not Suetonius (p. 102). The historian certainly knew the differencebetween governors who were praefecti and those who were procuratores, and elsewhere he notes the distinction. These were the measures devised by human planning [i.e. Covered with the hides of wild animals they perished by being torn to pieces by dogs or, fixed to stakes (or, crosses) they were set afire in the darkening evening as a form of night lighting. A shepherd who is a father figure to the boys after helping to raise them convinces them of the truth that Antiope is their real mother. Its worth comparing in detail with the alternative arguments that the entire passage is a later forgery. The myth says that Danaus had fifty daughters, known as the Danaides, from four different women, while Aegyptus had fifty sons. certain womenwho were spectacularly executed, dressed up as Danaids and Dircae. Did the following really happen? . Other references not currently quoted here: Euripides Bacchae 519, Euripides Heracles 27, Propertius 3.16.13. Jim Evans, Strasser hoped to replace the Programme of 1920. It teaches us to "deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live sober, righteously, and godly in this present age" (Tit. A lot was cast among the sons of Aegyptus to decide which of the Danaids each should marry except for those daughters born to Memphis who were joined by their namesakes, the sons of Tyria. The gaps are striking lacunae in the knowledge of a senator from Italy, frequently resident in or near the imperial capital, who was well informed on these matters, if in fact Christians had been found guilty of a monstrous crime against the Roman state in the mid-60s. 5 (trans. Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. Orosius interpretatio christiana rests on no evidence independent of Suetonius. Your email address will not be published. Contents 1 Family 2 Mythology 3 In Roman culture 4 Notes 5 References It seems as if official science is here again, as in so many other cases, under the dominion of a long-continued suggestion, in taking the narrative of Tacitus to be genuine without further examination. [26] It can be observed that the names Armoaste and Danaes (Danais), was an addition to complete the list while Scea (Scaea) and Autonomes (Automate) which was obviously borrowed from Apollodorus' accounts were also added. There were no crucifixions, for example. I like Hurtados works on Christology, but at the same time I have to be alert to the fact that he has conveniently found arguments that support his personal Christian beliefs so one does need to read his critics at the same time. The book is set and revised in Rome, but was not written there, and dates from the mid-2nd century. (p. 231), Allen, N.P.L. "Antiope was a daughter of Nykteus (Nycteus), and Zeus had intercourse with her. 5. Subsequently, the author provides his interpretation of the allegoric names Danads suggesting that it was given to Christian women who, for religious reasons, refused or reduced sexual relations with their pagan husbands a motif quite frequently met in ancient Christian literature. Given the surprisingly widespread acceptance of the great significance ofthis axial event in Christian history, the thinness of the evidence on all aspects of it is quite striking. He certainly knew of the Great Fire. Sorry, preview is currently unavailable. . As such refusals could provoke violent reactions from their pagan husbands (including sexual abuse), Clement metaphorically called these Christian women Dircae, the bull being a symbol of unchained debauchery. To these men who spent their lives in the practice of holiness, there is to be added a great multitude of the elect, who, having through envy endured many indignities and tortures, furnished. Without doubt, Danaus brought her in front of the Argos court. Shaw, a classicist, demonstrates a critical approachthat is all too seldom encountered among ancient historians and theologians who refuse to face the questionable quality of their primarysources. Finally, for those that do not know, copyright allows "fair use" of all written works. 3 (trans. It is used in the Roman Office of Readings for the liturgical memorial of the First Martyrs of the Church of Rome on June 30. Even if it was for guilty persons who deserved to suffer extreme and exemplary public punishments, there arose a feeling of pity because it was not for the public good but to satisfy one mans savagery that they were being liquidated. Jones) (Greek travelogue C2nd A.D.) : Danaus built a ship with fifty oars and fled to Greece with his fifty daughters. They recognized their mother and slew Lykos, but Dirke they tied to a bull, and flung her dead body into the spring that is called Dirke after her. 67 In his De lAuthenticity des Histoires et des Annales de Tacite, Hochart points out that, whereas the Life of St. Martin and the Dialogues of Sulpicius were found in many libraries, there was only one manuscript of Sulpicius Severuss Chronicle, probably of the eleventh century, which is now in the Vatican. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. This excerpt from the Letter of Clement, written around 95 AD, is important historical evidence of the martyrdom of Peter and Paul in Rome after Pauls journey to Spain. the pagan writer Tacitus testifies to these evernt in his Annales (15, 44) as does Clement, bishop of Rome, in his letter to the Corinthians (chapters 5-7). Nor does Acts 18:1-3 help the cause, for its reference to Jews expelled from Rome who joined Paul in Corinth does not suggest that they were Christians when they left Rome. Christians and Jews by the Fourth Century. Christian Dirce by Henryk Siemiradzki (National Museum, Warsaw) shows the punishment of a Roman woman who had converted to Christianity. The more I read your stuff (and I still do, of course), the more I realize how much we all owe you. Lynceus killed Danaus as revenge for the death of his brothers and he and Hypermnestra started the Danaid Dynasty of rulers in Argos. Finally a clever forger (Poggio?) But the following passage speaks of Paul: Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. I love this passage. Let us attend to what is good, pleasing, and acceptable in the sight of Him who formed us. They first made a stop in Rhodes, where they founded Lindos town and built a temple to goddess Athena Lindia. ], suffered (capital) punishment in the reign of Tiberius through the agency of the procurator Pontius Pilatus. Your clarity of expression, fair comments and personal insights are much valued. The gods Athena and Hermes purified them at the command of Zeus. 142-72. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Witnesses_to_the_Historicity_of_Jesus/Part_2/Section_2. Anyone interested in becoming a professional umpire and becoming eligible to work in the minor leagues must attend one of the two umpire schools sanctioned by Major League Baseball. . Finally, at least for chapter 7, I found this statement interesting: Noah preached repentance, and as many as listened to him were saved. The daughters were ordered by their father to kill their husbands on the first night of their weddings and this they all did with the exception of one, Hypermnestra, who spared her husband Lynceus because he respected her desire to remain a virgin. When the sons found out who their mother was, they put Dirce to death by bidning her to an untamed bull; by the kindness of Liber [Dionysos], whose votary she was, on Mount Cithaeron, a spring was formed from her body, which was called Dirce. Envy has alienated wives from their husbands, and changed that saying of our father Adam, "This is now bone of my . . ", "I think you have a high quality blog that provides a positive public service by discussing academic topics within a wider audience. Prof. Shaws case undermining the historicity of the Tacitus account and its supposed witness to Jesus is an important one, but it could have been much more conclusive and also more supportive to Jesus as myth. But how could the legend arise that Nero was the first to persecute the Christians? . Best, John", John Moles, September 2011 (personal email), "I always enjoy reading Neils blog because I think that he is careful, thorough, intellectually fair, and honest. | Privacy Policy In a fit of despondency Nykteus killed himself, after charging Lykos (Lycus) to punish Epopeus and Antiope. Given the surprisingly widespread acceptance of the great significance ofthis axial event in Christian history, the thinness of the evidence on all aspects of it is quite striking. When Belus died, he ordered Danaus king of Libya and Aegyptus, king of Arabia. . Bowersock, somewhat chagrined, admits to being taken aback by Shaws carefully reasoned case that such an established tradition could suddenly be undercut, revealing cracks in an edifice we thought we knew well.. There is every good reason for historians to have grave doubts about the story of an attack on Christians by Nero that emerged decades after the fire itself.They should be sceptical to the point of dismissing the commonly accepted idea of Nero as a persecutor, indeed the first great persecutor of Christians, specifically in connection with the conflagration that raged through Rome in July of 64. It is a great reminder for us today that if we are not repenting, we are not going to be among his beloved. The danger they presented to society meant that they could be punished for being a Christian. . All his daughters had to obey their father, because disobeying to your parents was a great wrongdoing in the ancient world. Dirke was originally the wife of King Lykos (Lycus) of Thebes who, as punishment for the mistreatment of her niece Antiope, was tied to a wild bull and torn limb from limb. Paul explains the problem in Romans 7. 3 (trans. cf. The problems here are almost overwhelming. You cannot have grace without repentance and faith. As Peter wrote,"I think it is right, as long as I am in this tabernacle [this body], stir you up by reminding you" (2 Pet. 24.4: Iudaeos impulsore Chresto assidue tumultuantis Roma [Claudius] expulit. Before the wedding, he presented each of his daughters a dagger and instructed them to kill their husbands in their wedding night. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Many points in the passage have been closely debated, but as a whole does it reflect reliable history? Christians, like the Jews, came to think ofNero asan evil apocalyptic figure, the one who had supposedly killed Peter and Paul and was the first persecutor of the Christians. Its an interesting hypothesis. I think I was the first to present a comprehensive case (587-630) for the whole Neronian persecution as a consequence of the Great Fire, let alone the idea of any Christian responsibility for it, as being a later myth. 18:20-30). Even later Roman historians do not reflect the myth, such as Suetonius and Cassius Dio, and Shaws suggested reasons for this are hardly adequate. The paucity and weakness of the data, however, have not prevented acceptance of the historicity of this first persecution as an undisputed fact. [A] persecution of Christians by the emperor Nero in connection with the Great Fire of 64 seems improbable given the context of the relations between officials of the Roman state and Christians over the first century CE. return to rescue his nation/people &c. This persists even in the bizarre sci-fi cult-fiction of the cryogenic Adolf in Antarctica. In Greek mythology, the Danades (/dne.diz/; Greek: ), also Danaides or Danaids, were the fifty daughters of Danaus. You are doing essentially the same quality now (apart from the philology and languages) except mostly sticking to commenting on others work as informed comment/discussion. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) : Nonnus, Dionysiaca 44. For how could Christians not have known and embraced such a prime example of their experiences of martyrdom, given their intense focus and fascination on their sufferings for the faith? At the same time a Nero myth was maturingamong the lower classes. Wilsons TLS (11 December) review of J.D. He cites Richard Carriers 2014 article,The prospect of a Christian interpolation in Tacitus, Annals15.44, in VigiliaeChristianae 68, 26483 as a recent example and source for many of the earlier studies. "These things, beloved, we write unto you, not merely to admonish you of your duty, but also doi:10.1017/S0028688517000352. ", "Thanks for your very elaborate review! I once attempted to engage him in a discussion on Acts but was rebuffed as if I was a tool of Satan out to destroy Christianity because I questioned his assumptions even though I did so from the perspective of another relatively conservative scholar. So much for the late legend of Peter being crucified, let alone crucified upside down. The first part of the article explores the context in which these designations appear. Belus had two sons, Danaus and Aegyptus. The few remnants of houses in the other seven were reduced to stripped and half-burned ruins. Enter the email address you signed up with and we'll email you a reset link. . The list in the Bibliotheca[3] preserves not only the names of brides and grooms but also those of their mothers. According to Hippostratus, Danaus had all these progeny begotten by a single woman, Europa, the daughter of Nilus.[4]. ISMENOS (Callimachus Hymn to Delos, Nonnus Dionysiaca 44.10), Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. The Myth of the Neronian Persecution. As such, he functioned as a personal attendant (amanuensis) of the Pope, writing letters at his behest and dictation, with no formal registration of the briefs, but merely preserving copies., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poggio_Bracciolini. "Neil, for what it is worth it is obvious to me that if you had earlier in life tracked into a graduate program at one of the worlds leading research universities you would be one of the worlds formidable ones. Some authors offer the one version, some the other. Then the author of the letters of Seneca to Paul enlarged the legend in its primitive form, brought it into agreement with the ideas of this time, and gave it a political turn. ", "Vridar is consistently thought-provoking, well-informed, and asking the right questions. 6:3 Jealousy hath estranged wives from their husbands and changed the saying of our father Adam, This now is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. Then notice Tacitus explaining to his readers that these Christians were just as people in his own day thought of them the harbingers of a new and degraded form of superstitio. Looking forward to more segments. Around the turn of the century, then, an identifiable group, disruptive to the social order and known as Christians, were coming to the notice of the ruling classes. At the time, the lethal superstitio was repressed, but it burst out again not only throughout Judaea, the origin of this evil (sickness), but through the City (of Rome) to which everything that is savage and shameful flows from all directions and is actually celebrated. For Aegyptus, these fifty marriages appeared as an easy route to acquire the properties of Danaus. Ive been watching PBS Secrets of the Dead: The Nero Files. The phrase a type of men of a new and evil superstitio, in Shaws assessment, reads very much like Suetoniuss own commentary drawing upon what was known of Christians in his day, in the early second century. The originator of this name, Christus [Chrestus? No specifically identifiable author can be fixed for these letters. This chapter just gives more examples of martyrdom and persecution and points out the basis of persecution is envy. "Dirke (Dirce) danced, spouting her whirling waters along with her father Ismenos (Ismenus).". Thus the precious blood of Christ that was shed for our salvation sets "the grace of repentance" before all of us. ", "Here I give an admittedly subjective short list, in random order, of useful, high level and regularly updated weblogs on the study of the Old Testament . Ancient history is obviously less verifiable than recent history, and open to speculative revisions of various sorts, including the use of some presumed legends and forgeries against others, according to taste. Your voice is unique. Indeed, the degree of certainty in the Neronian persecution stands in almost inverse proportion to the quality and quantity of the data. "Desiring that all his beloved should be partakers of repentance ". Signup* for a weekly dose of spiritual inspiration from Dr. Italy and receive as a special bonus a download that will make this Lenten season your most meaningful yet, and guide you to a new and deeper intimacy with Christ. lol) MY VIEWPOINT ON RACISM IS, Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. I have just sent this letter to the New York Review of books. Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Another contemporary, Pliny, shared the same negative view of Christians. Up until the time of Tacitus this expression had been used of an ethnic group to refer to the Jews. Chapter VI.Continuation. Danaus ruled Argos for many years and was leading a quiet life till one day a foreign ship came. Danaus' brother Aegyptus had fifty children as well; in his case, all of them were male. This great massacre was unbelievable, even for the bloody ancient Greek myths. 8:3). The other 49 daughters buried the heads of their bridegrooms in Lerna and paid funeral honors to their bodies in front of the city. The third or fourth bishop of Rome has been proposed, but there are numerous pseudepigraphical texts attached to his name and no certain provenience or date can be established for the text. Candida Moss has established the Christian penchant for claiming imaginary persecutions and per the Great Fire of Rome 64 CE and persecution of Christians, the thinness of the evidence on all aspects of it is quite striking (Shaw, 2015). Who? Journal of Greco-Roman Christianity and Judaism (JGRChJ). The Christians were expecting the end of the world by fire and they thought this might be it. We all know the problem with this promise. Thats the start. At the time, and indeed up to the decades after 100 C.E., among Roman writers, including Tacitus, it was the Jews rather than the Christians whose beliefs and practices were being labelled a superstitio, albeit not a novel one. 18:30]. Eusebius, Hist. hmm no. The video says that Nero, by law, had to act and burned a bunch of Christians at the stake. (A white Muslim convert I knew well in Norwich once said to me, We dont make your distinction between fact and fiction!). ", Pausanias, Description of Greece 9. 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