You bring up a question I have been trying to work through for some time. That's not how they're made, see my previous post, or get a set of old time Leonard, Payne, Dickerson or anyone else's, other than cheep H-I or Montague's which had a necked down female, and measure them, the bamboo opening on both kinds of ferrules is the same on the male as it is on the female. Not too many folks consider these mediocre. I just read this to myself and it's obviously as clear as mud! (Paul Blakley). Jim Schaaf. In fact, if you want to design a cane "Parabolic" which will perform as Ritz wanted all you have to do is choose a tip taper you fancy and plonk it out on the end of a fast taper hollow built butt of whatever length you fancy. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, November - May It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. First, no one casts the same. Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. It's the important half, too, the other one is less important than line weight, I refer you to the basic laws of aerodynamics, this post is already too long! (Peter Jones) (Chris Obuchowski). The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. OK, the rod was a Paul Young Perfectionist. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. I recently sold a rod to a customer blind on the phone. by Lee Koch 06/12/16 21:18, Post (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. 0.178 My 2 cents. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. 10 .110 .254 Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive). 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. 4.6 ounces. (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. It's a 7 wt too but being a little shorter is easier on the arm and shoulder due to the shorter lever arm length. Bogart Classic Wet Fly Rod 8.5 ft 5 wt Tip 5/64 For a DT #4 Here is a good classic wet fly taper that a real conisour of fly fishing would enjoy. Rods also tend to have varying sweet spots in terms of when the amount of line out feel just right. He has two Dickerson 7613 tapers, from 1952 and 1970, that show dimensions for a butt ferrule that would be 14/64 and a tip ferrule of 13/64. The 8014 taper was devised later in Lyle's life and reflects both this ma 0.350 .232@10 They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. (Robin Haywood). This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. I have limited the list as practical to tapers which are not obviously taken from Hexrod.net, in RodDNA, or in contemporary books such as Howells, Gould or Mauer. If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. 0.088 The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. 25 0.1405 Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. 0.334 The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. 55 0.2275 45 .216 .375 65 0.2565 Some rods might in fact be best with a line weight that falls between two designated ones eg. Quite a disparity. Cross Rods. 0.205 For anyone who hasn't done so, it is a really simple and useful exercise to combine tapers for rods of the same length and line weight in a spreadsheet such as excel and make a line chart of them. (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. Just giving a different perspective and what has worked for me. DICKERSON 801610 - 8' 3/2 - 5wt- honey colored - medium powerful action trout fishing rod this rod is my favorite 8 foot Dickerson - originals are very rare - incredible power in a true 5w$ 2150us (all 3pc 2tip rods)DICKERSON 7613 - 7'6"- one of my all time favorite 5wts, copied in Dickerson's style can be custom made with tips of four different actions below: DICKERSON 7613 LS - the lightest of this series - for closer casting to 40 feetDICKERSON 7613 L - very nice all-round trout taper, full, medium fast actionDICKERSON 7613 M - quick, full dry fly rod - nice to have when the hatch startsDICKERSON 7613 H the 6wt, "big gun" of this series, good for big flies, streamers, $ 1750us w/one tip $ 1950us w/two tips $ 2150us w/three (or all 3pc 2tip rods) $ 2350us w/full set of four tips in all actions. Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. The rod action will not resemble a straight line taper any longer. And well worth the little time it takes to execute. Know what to expect when you visit LAN, so you can feel prepared for your upcoming trip! A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. that drop is a hallmark of all 2pc dickerson tapers. Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. Dickerson rods have the charm of being different (and scarce). The idea is that the butt must not bend, and when it does its only at the very end, if it bends further down then the height of the line above the ground is dramatically reduced and thus fully one half of the "High speed high line" proposition is not met. Pickard makes nice rods for sure. Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. I own one of his 7612s and it's a wonderful rod. 0.168 An 8014, would be an 8' two piece, with a size 14 ferrule amidships. 0.093 0.174 Dickerson Rods Notes On Rods and Models Rod Features Rod Bags & Tubes Rod Markings and Script Buyer/Collector Beware Dickerson Articles About The Model Profiles Dickerson 761510 Dickerson 8014 Guide The Tom Clark Collection Anecdotes & Unseen Photos Dickerson Guide Series The Earliest Dickerson What Are The Chances? Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! To all of them and their contemporaries we are grateful . As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. 5 .096 .244 My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. 0.288 But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! The difference is for a step-down ferrule. Tuesday - Sunday, 10am to 4pm, Winter If you add bamboo the the tip of the rod, you have changed its mass (MOI/MOE) relative to what it was. Thanks for posting the Dickerson 861711 taper. Gillum Rods. 0.214 the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post Ya'll, I have built this & I use a 6 weight forward on it. (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. Even if EC did "compound" his B-9 taper just in front of the ferrule for a specific reason, it wouldn't negate the fact that this is AT HEART A STRAIGHT TAPER. The rod in question has a test curve of 4 ozs, by the way. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. 0.220 0.189 well there is your answer. (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. (Bob Norwood). Dickerson Rods For Sale The line was a Scientific Angler's WF7 in their XXD (distance) format. Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. I based the statement of one SLT for a line weight on Bob Norwood's tip dimensions. This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. Following tests I no longer cook UHU. (Will Price), I have noticed several folks mention the Dickerson 8014. If you are building in the drop at the ferule that Dickerson used, you will usually end up using a size larger ferrule than you'd normally think. 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). Its the old problem, everyone wants to tell us what they think the answer is, but they never want to tell us why in terms unequivocal and universal! The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. (Peter Jones), If you "Put some cane back" in the bottom eighteen inches or so of the top joint you will have removed most of my objections. Are there specific numbers at the ferrule for, say, an 8013 where a 14/64's ferrule is used? Just like the makers of Ping golf clubs, who ban their retailers from selling on the internet, I do not see how it is possible to make a rod for someone without the presence of that person for a considerable time on a casting court. Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? CSE made the ferrule for me. The rod is currently 7'-2" after a test fit so I want to trim to the correct 7-0 length. (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. So it seems that we are actually in complete agreement. Your projected experiment may be described as simplistic and wasteful of time by some, but I think that you will learn a very great deal about what you personally like about taper rates. As good a seven and a half foot 3-piece rod taper as any ever designed. The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? (Steve Weiss). 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