Don't be - whatever you do, don't play with no guns. My guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-hosts and co-producers of Ear Hustle, a podcast featuring their interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin. You end thinking, like, here's this guy who's very self-actualized. Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. POOR: That's his obsession. Her latest novel "The Friend" won the National Book Award for fiction and is about to be published in paperback. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR, and if you're just joining us, my guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor. Redmond O'Neal is a voice actor, Hollywood celebrity, and Star Kid from the United States. "When. [5] He served his last seven years at San Quentin. Kristi Tjaden. Everybody we know live the same lifestyle, you know? And, Nigel and Earlonne, I want to wish you good luck with the retooled version of Ear Hustle now that Earlonne is out. So now we can actually do that and even POOR: Hopefully go to other countries, too. This is what we work for because there comes a moment in every person in prison's life where the light switch go on. Like, you may have guys that are Hispanics or whites who, when they get to a certain prison, their race is like, let me see your paperwork. We don't really do stories about people's crimes at all. GROSS: So something I found really interesting is that the group that is multicultural and not segregated by race or ethnicity is the group that's into, like - the nerds, the group that are into, like, sci-fi fantasy and stuff like that. Therefore, it is not known if Earlonne is single, dating, or married. E WOODS: Yeah, so that's cool. Earlonne Woods was born in the United States in 1972. Part of HuffPost News. [3][4] In 1997, at the age of 25, he was arrested for attempted second degree robbery. Our senior producer today is Roberta Shorrock. Earlonne Woods is a popular American podcaster. GROSS: We talk about the podcast and before we talk about your work together, Earlonne, I want to talk with you about life outside. Poor, a professor of photography at CSU Sacramento, was volunteering with the Prison University Project at San Quentin State Prison when she met Woods, who was serving a 31-year-to-life sentence. She started going to San Quentin to volunteer teaching photography. If you're just joining us, my guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-hosts and co-producers of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin Prison about their daily lives and their personal stories. Hae-soo married his non-celebrity bride on January 14, 2019, according to sources. Earlonne is a brother to Shala Woods. She inherits his dog, a 180-pound Great Dane, who, like her, is grieving. Woods helped create Ear Hustle while incarcerated at San Quentin State Prison. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. Elevated Entertainment LLC; Host: Hard in the Paint w/Aaron Showtime Taylor. It focuses on both the personal and the political, shedding light on issues of mass incarceration and the criminal justice system by telling intimate, humanizing stories, like the tale of one inmates obsession with keeping small critters as pets in his cell or anothers struggle to be intimate with his wife while behind bars. And it just puts you in a whole different space, you know? GROSS: Yeah. You know, prison, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. So on December 7, 1994, I murdered my ex-girlfriend, the mother of my now-25-year-old daughter. I've never had a problem. You know, when I was out for the two years 10 months, I raised Tyler, you know? Behind 'Ear Hustle,' The Podcast Made In Prison. GROSS: Yeah. And I got into this group. And a chase pursued. GROSS: And that was because - you got such a long sentence because one crime had you convicted on two counts, so that counted as two strikes. [11], In November 2018, then California Governor Jerry Brown commuted Woods' sentence, saying he had "clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime" and that "he has set a positive example for his peers and, through his podcast, has shared meaningful stories from those inside prison. GROSS: And you chose Earlonne. And they shot at Tyler, like, 40-something times. He running with these hard heads. Like, all of a sudden, you know POOR: We'll be like regular colleagues. He was hired to continue co-hosting and producing the podcast after his release. "[16] Quah contrasts standard prison narratives told entirely from an outsider's point of view with the interplay of insider and outsider perspectives provided by the hosts of Ear Hustle, with stories primarily told through Woods' and Williams' words and perspectives, and Poor in an active role adding "key narrative housekeeping". Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who were previously incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. And to hear how it happened to him and to hear that he was shot 19 times, you know - and I just try to visualize, like, what he was going through at the time he was being shot at by those officers. Even though you can't do nothing about your past, you just feel embarrassed about even going down that route, even victimizing anybody. And the thing that I noticed in particular about him was that whenever there was an issue going on - and, of course, inside prison, there's all kinds of issues - and if we would have to sit down to solve a problem, Earlonne was the one who would speak up, cut through all of the baloney and get to the point. Ear Hustle was a finalist for the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Audio Reporting, and won a Alfred I. duPontColumbia University Award in 2021. [8][9] Poor is a visual artist in the San Francisco Bay area who volunteers at the prison. Does that mean we're self-absorbed? POOR: OK. Tyra got arrested first for kidnap and robbery. And as time went on, as years went on, I stuck to my guns. You start really understanding what the word community means and what your participation in community is about, you know? She'll continue to do interviews inside San Quentin. And I believe, personally, that that will ease overcrowding because there are a lot of people in prison that deserve to be out. Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. POOR: So we were in the media lab working and - you know, trying to work, trying to stay concentrated. And I'm not even talking about physically intimate, but just emotionally intimate is against regulations. Nigel is a professor of photography at Cal State. Earlonne, tell us a little more about what happened to Tyler, how he was killed. And it was one of the restore justice symposiums. Ear Hustle was selected from 1,537 submissions, securing the funding for a 10-episode first season. He has the age of 49. And E WOODS: And of course I enjoy all the little moments. Thank you both so much for talking with us. Like, my mother used to bring him. After a break, we'll hear and talk about excerpts of two episodes of Ear Hustle, one about a death that was devastating for Earlonne, the other about an interview that raised serious ethical questions for Nigel. POOR: And the other thing is we've always - we've tried to always keep this as equal as possible. [5][15] In 2020, alongside Poor and co-host Rahsaan Thomas, Woods was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Audio Reporting. E WOODS: Right, right. Jerry Brown. And I stopped by this lake. Like, I take you as the man you are in front of me. I probably was like 14. I'd still be sitting in San Quentin in a cell with my brother. And we just had such great conversations. [2], Woods first went to prison at 17 for two concurrent convictions of kidnapping and robbing a drug dealer, and was released at 23. So I think I did what, pretty much, my community did that was around me. How do you deal with family, love, depression, having children, finding meaning in life? I told him that constantly. So I think as far as African-American culture in prison, I don't think nobody really cares why you're in prison. He said Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed the crime. And her son had attended a party. E WOODS: I like my colors bright these days. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. But I took way more from that person than $1. When Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods met, Nigel was a photography professor volunteering with the Prison University Project and Earlonne was serving thirty-one years to life at California's San Quentin State Prison. And it was just - I just seen him slipping through my fingers because I wasn't there to snatch him up. You're sitting across from law enforcement. But the law don't see your rehabilitation. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). I was just done. And you've said in the past that he was always the quietest person in the room, but you could tell he was a good observer. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. Look. POOR: We can taste each other's food 'cause, you know, in prison you can't share food with people. We're able to share food. Shes holding on. The responding officers shot him five times, killed him. They grow up literally., In Browns letter announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime., He has set a positive example, Brown wrote. I'm not doing that. "[15], The New Yorker's Sarah Larson said the show "might be the best new podcast Ive heard this year" and described it as being "about the creativity required to live a satisfying lifeor even a sane lifein prison, and is itself a product of that creativity. And he understood how to diffuse a situation. Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods are gifted storytellers, and their ability to draw intimate, authentic stories out of others is extraordinary. They searched Tyler, and then they ran his name. I actually oddly enjoy being in there. A person can get certain - a certain amount of time for the crime that they commit. And that surprised me greatly. Vice President . So you look at the time wasted, and you look at, man, if I knew better or I should've did better. I think maybe 14 years in my sentence, I went to San Quentin. He's able to call me collect. [6] While in San Quentin, Woods was unpaid for his work on Ear Hustle, though fans would often send him money. Earlonne Woods: Number one. Earlonne Woods, co-host of the popular prison podcast Ear Hustle, had his sentence commuted by California Gov. And it was just like - it didn't even register with me. [14] In an interview with Rolling Stone, Poor said the show is "about everyday life inside a prison. But you look back, and you're looking at it like, I've wasted, like - I can say right now, I'm 47 years old. Earlonne Woods prefers to keep his personal life private, so he has not disclosed any information about his marital status. My first prison term, I went to jail when I was 17. And it's all that some of the people that you choose to associate with do, you know? Ive been taking showers for like 20 years.. He had served 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. So how do you keep going? Through his podcast, [Woods] has shared meaningful stories from those inside prison.. They ask how you are. I was on some - I would like to say other words, but I'm holding my (laughter) E WOODS: (Laughter) I'm on the radio. Kourtney Kellar is an American model, social media celebrity, influencer, media face, and Internet personality. I'm on a podcast. So now we just have the opportunity to travel together, to do something like this together. A post shared by @earhustlesq on Mar 13, 2018 at 8:35pm PDT. Kourtney Kellar models for a variety of periodicals, companies, Toni Storm is a famous New Zealand-Australian wrestler, social media influencer, Instagram personality, OnlyFans star, and entrepreneur from Auckland, New Zealand. And it really wasn't until I got into the healing circle that I understood what it was like to be a survivor of crime because in these circles, you're sitting across from crime victims. I think the scope of the number of people that could possibly listen to this, I'm just really nervous about that. [7] Co-creators Woods and Antwan Williams were inmates at San Quentin State Prison for the first three seasons of the show. Earlonne became busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. And it was very hard for that to not change the way I felt about him. Brown cited Woods' leadership in . Jerry Brown. And they won't get that opportunity to present the person that they are today. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life . He had just became a paramedic or something. Do you usually know what somebody is in for and do you ask, or is that considered wrong to ask? It's - it's - I think being in a position to step away from it all and look back and say, man, I was on something else. No. Is that OK? Their tenth season finished airing in December 2022. POOR: Well, I would like to see more programs created that allow people inside and outside to work together as colleagues. Poor's teaching work led her to a vast archive filled with photographs taken from life inside the prison that she began using in . [12] On October 19, 2021, co-hosts Poor and Woods released a book on the podcast, This Is Ear Hustle. Williams, 29, has served more than 10 years on a 15-year sentence for armed robbery. explores life inside San Quentin State Prison. Earlonnes average salary is $61,244 per year. Namcy Wong. And then, I always say that, you know, a lot of people that volunteer - people like Nigel Poor, people like other volunteers that volunteer inside of prisons - are on the frontline of public safety because these are the people that's coming in and is trying to show you a different way of life or trying to help you understand differently, think differently. SHAPIRO: Earlonne Woods had to leave the media lab to take the call. And I think that's a shared philosophy with everybody that's in prison - is that you have to just deal with what's going on today, you know, and just not let the pressures of prison just get to your core and crush you. Nigel first went to San Quentin as a volunteer teaching photography. GROSS: Well, why don't we take a short break here, and then we'll talk some more? "[9] She also praised its originality, "[using] prisoners' storytelling skills to show what it's like to spend decades behind bars. Like, I just walked away, you know? Ear Hustle was the first podcast to be created entirely inside a prison. [9], On November 21, 2018, producer Earlonne Woods's sentence was commuted by California governor Jerry Brown. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). SHAPIRO: Nigel Poor told us that when Earlonne Woods came back POOR: He was walking with a lot of air in his step. You may be a changed individual, all the way changed, would never commit another crime. Woods was raised in South Los Angeles with his parents and his older brother Trevor. POOR: So I'm just going to be very blunt with you. TREVOR WOODS: You know, so Tyler was out there trying to grow up on his own, trying to be something that he didn't know nothing about. They're the co-hosts and co-producers of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin about their daily lives and their personal stories. I just stopped over there, went and sat on a rock and just watched the water for about an hour. But I just - just took a course that was - seemed cool to me at the time. It was transformational symposiums. And Nigel is also a professor of photography at California State University. I wouldn't spend time in a place that made me uncomfortable or I didn't like. I don't think I have the vision to see it. Brown cited Woods'. Before creating the podcast, Woods and Poor did interviews with inmates in San Quentin for public radio station KALW in San Francisco. His first book, OG Told Me, is a memoir-style collection of essays about Harshaw's. So you become accustomed to that lifestyle. He says, I need to speak with you. You know, they playing with guns or whatever have you. E WOODS: In between prison - when I got out - Tyler had just been born in '94. They said that, hey, when you went to jail when you were 17 - yeah, it was one time, but there was two convictions in that case. And when it actually happened, it was a - it was an awakening in me, like, oh, I don't - why is we living this way, you know? POOR: I know. So they don't even have the opportunity to even go in front of the board to say, hey, look, for the last 21 years, I've changed, you know, because their board dates ain't till 2150, you know? He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California Three . Woods is expected to be released on parole in the coming days, after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor: This Is Ear Hustle Some might say that Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods were destined to meet. "Ear Hustle" the phrase is slang for eavesdropping is a collaboration between Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, both prisoners at San Quentin, and Nigel Poor, a Bay Area visual artist who teaches photography classes at the prison. He was born and brought up in the United States to his caring and supportive parents. Nigel is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. I don't know what tomorrow brings, but I know what's happening today and right now. This is FRESH AIR. When Earlonne was in, I was probably in there 40-plus hours a week, and I'm not a masochist. I realized that he had a really intense work ethic that matched my own and that we just really got along. Nigel Poor assures us the podcast will continue with Earlonne contributing stories from the outside. T WOODS: You know, he was ripping and running with the gangs. Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence in November, and Woods regained his freedom after serving 21 years of his sentence. He and Nigel are also the authors of This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book that became inspired by the podcast and released by Crown/Random House. I think my mother told me she loved Jesus more than she loved me. And to hear - to take that in and to not be afraid and to not judge a person but to, like, sit with it and think about it and think about this was 30 years ago, like I just - I had to do a lot of work around that. But very quickly, when we started talking about photography - I was teaching a history of photography class - that kind of melted away. Instead of me representing it, Earlonne and I can represent it together. GROSS: So Tyler's father, your brother, is still in San Quentin during the final year that you were in San Quentin. Williams was serving a 15-year sentence for armed robbery with a gun enhancement. Earlonne Woods was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles. I'm Terry Gross. But apparently it's fine - like, if you fall in love, the prisoner and the volunteer fall in love, that's fine as long as the volunteer or the staff person is no longer going to be working there in any capacity. POOR: You can't blend into what the guys inside wear. When he was nine, Woods lifted up a faulty railroad crossing gate to allow cars to pass. Earlonnes estimated net worth is $657,586. They're very polite. GROSS: Are you going to go back and visit him? I've never felt scared or disrespected. Those are my partners. POOR: You get a lot of calls from guys at San E WOODS: I get a lot of 15-minute calls from prison. Earlonnes net worth is estimated to be $657,586. "Ear Hustle" features stories from prison told by prisoners - their intimate, honest conversations about family visits, cellmates, solitary confinement - conversations like this one between Earlonne Woods and his co-host Nigel Poor, who's not an inmate. His sentence was commuted yesterday. Woods was convicted of attempted second-degree robbery but because of the three-strikes law was sentenced to 31 years to life, most of which was served in prisons other than San Quentin. So here's Nigel Poor, co-host and co-producer of the podcast Ear Hustle. And Earlonne just had his sentence commuted by Governor Jerry Brown in November after serving 21 years. SHAPIRO: Like in a restaurant, at your house, any POOR: Yes. He is a man of average stature. We'll be right back. Earlonne was born in 1972, in the United States. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. SHAPIRO: That's Earlonne Woods from the podcast "Ear Hustle." And I - I observed Earlonne a lot. We called up Nigel Poor today to ask her about it, and she said that when they got the news yesterday, they were in the middle of making an episode. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. We get - I mean, it's - you know, it's - we're just E WOODS: You're able to go out now. But on the second term after - once you receive a life sentence, there's no guarantee that you'll ever be released from prison. I was going to Nigel's house the other day, and I was an hour early. You - you - you always feel that you're better than getting killed, like you would never get killed. [5] The show features interviews with inmates who share their stories and opinions on topics like cellmates, solitary confinement, race, morality, pets, religion, gangs, and family. [8][9][16] Vulture's Nicholas Quah noted a particular story a prisoner told about a frog in episode three: "a moment of levity in a setting often described in the worst of terms, a productive kind of conversation between the specificities of a person and the overpowering context of his incarceration. After California Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence last month, Woods reflects on. 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